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Just have some good help :)","date":"2005-01-11T07:07:09-06:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"Bliznab","importedSubject":"This quest is QUITE Do-able"},{"commentv2":1,"number":12,"id":2930198,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"is there anyway to do this quest solo? is it that impossible to make it on lv21?","date":"2005-10-21T21:57:51-05:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"Isenhardt","importedSubject":"only group???"},{"commentv2":1,"number":13,"id":2930201,"nreplies":1,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"I just finished it, but I am wondering, if I don't hand the head in can I keep coming back into the instance? I would like to try to get some better drops.","date":"2004-12-01T18:33:01-06:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[{"body":"You can even with turning the head in, as long as someone in your party has the quest. My guildies are about to take me in, and 2 of them have already done it a couple times.","creationdate":"2004-12-03T15:59:51-06:00","id":1242966,"rating":0,"commentid":2930201,"dataTree":1,"roles":64,"username":"Allakhazam","markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"downvotedByUser":false,"reportedByUser":false,"votedByUser":false,"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"waxsixsix","importedSubject":"RE: question"}],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"stealthninja","importedSubject":"question"},{"commentv2":1,"number":14,"id":2930202,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"when you reach teh top where VC is if you are a caster\/ranged attacker stand on the cannons that are to the left of the ramp up there. this realy helped when i was healing. it's also fun to have a ranged attacker have agro while on the canon. then thay just stand at the ege of the boat even if someone else is attacking","date":"2006-02-15T04:09:51-06:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"pooooooooooooop","importedSubject":"another tidbit"},{"commentv2":1,"number":15,"id":2930203,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"whats a good lvl for a pally to try this solo, also since i'm a newb does anyone know what the best spells\/abilities for a pally to use\nthanks","date":"2006-10-23T18:31:03-05:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"dcap","importedSubject":"vc and pally help"},{"commentv2":1,"number":16,"id":2930207,"nreplies":1,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"I tried getting getting the quest from Stoutmantle, but he does give it to me. I did all the previos Defias Brotherhood quests....he just doesnt talk to me anymore. If some1 can tell me what im doing wrong, welcome :D","date":"2005-01-30T18:44:21-06:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[{"body":"I think u need to get the one with the defias traitor, the one to escort him to the hideout, that one u dont get from stroutmantle, hes right in front of him, if u dont see the traitor that means someone is doing it, and u have to wait for him to spawn there again and talk to him quick =), hope thats what u needed to know\n\n\n\nNightwish - level 21 Hume Female Warlock - Tailoring\/Skinning\nSilver Hand World\nArchenemy - level 12 Hume Male Rogue - Leathercraft\/skinning\nSilver Hand World\nOtep - level 12 dwarf male Paladin - Blacksmithing\/Mining\nSilver Hand World\n","creationdate":"2005-02-01T13:40:26-06:00","id":1242971,"rating":-2,"commentid":2930207,"dataTree":1,"roles":64,"username":"Allakhazam","markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"downvotedByUser":false,"reportedByUser":false,"votedByUser":false,"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"bloodbathvampire","importedSubject":"RE: Cant get the quest"}],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"Incanuz","importedSubject":"Cant get the quest"},{"commentv2":1,"number":17,"id":2930208,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"tried to solo this as a 20 druid.\n\ni got through the instance part until the part with the big locked door (i had been prowling in cat form the whole way in). The 19 elite guard did 250 damage to me and killed me in one big hit :P","date":"2005-10-03T03:04:00-05:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"Adaela","importedSubject":"um.. death"},{"commentv2":1,"number":18,"id":2930211,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"Its not so hard did it on my 3rd try with a level 26 Hunter, 21 and 22 Warrrior, 18 Paladin(me), and one level 17 Hunter. Didn't even die once on the final run.\n\nJust watch the aggro, think before you rush in, and don't do anything stupid and you'll be fine.","date":"2005-01-03T05:34:24-06:00","rating":-6,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"knodi","importedSubject":"not bad"},{"commentv2":1,"number":19,"id":2930212,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"I tried getting getting the qeust from Stoutmantle, but he does give it to me. I did all the previos Defias Brotherhood quests....he just dont talk to me anymore. If some1 can tell me whta im doing wrogn, welcome :D","date":"2005-01-30T18:43:28-06:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"Incanuz","importedSubject":"Cant get the quest"},{"commentv2":1,"number":20,"id":2930213,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"This quest is easily do able\n\ndid it at a low level and again as a 28 rogue and 24 priest....\n\ndidn't die once\n\ndidn't take long\n\n*hint* jump on the big wheel on the side of teh ship where VC is, if u get in trouble","date":"2005-09-27T17:16:14-05:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"TheRealThing","importedSubject":"easily done"},{"commentv2":1,"number":21,"id":2930214,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"Soloing:\nLVL 30 Rouge in LVL 30 greens and blues, this is an easy instance.\n36+ for all other classes to solo, maybe hunts and mages can get away w\/ it earlier","date":"2006-05-22T08:11:29-05:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"Anarisss","importedSubject":"easy"},{"commentv2":1,"number":22,"id":2930215,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"blu\n\n[i][small]Edited, Nov 22nd 2006 12:57pm by Sewgoth[\/small][\/i]","date":"2006-11-22T08:53:05-06:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"Sewgoth","importedSubject":"Fast as warrior"},{"commentv2":1,"number":23,"id":2930216,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"i have a lvl 65 mage mm8 with enchanting 300 and is going thro dm with me and will give me all good drops greens+ im gettin 1x crul barb blackend defias and ive got a shadowfang enchanted for firey wepon enchant crulbarb lifestealing and the boddy like 100health but the best 1s\n\nSwiftSlash Bronzebeard lvl 19twink","date":"2007-05-20T10:24:07-05:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"izitfam","importedSubject":"um"},{"commentv2":1,"number":24,"id":2930218,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"Van Cleef is on top of the pirate ship, at the end of the instance. Just be careful when you're getting to Van Cleef because he has a couple of invisible rogues to help him out.","date":"2004-12-01T17:42:46-06:00","rating":4,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"shirahime","importedSubject":"van cleef"},{"commentv2":1,"number":25,"id":2930219,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"This is a great instance and quest. We did it twice the other night. Upgraded my 2h Axe on the first run. 2nd time through I upgraded my axe *again* and got the Defias chestpiece - 2 blue items in one trip. The Defias chestpiece is better than the leather chest reward for killing Van Cleef.","date":"2004-12-09T23:14:28-06:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"bonedome","importedSubject":"van cleef"},{"commentv2":1,"number":26,"id":2930220,"nreplies":5,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"[b]This quest is so not worth it.[\/b]\n\nI've tried it 3 times now and still haven't managed to kill VC. I've only even managed to make it to him once.\n\nOur first group: Rog23, Pal22, Pal20, Warrior21, Mage22\nThird group: Rog23, Pal22, Warlock24, Mage21, Hunter23\nSecond group: Rog23, Hunter29, Warrior32, Warrior25, Mage22\n\nIt just plain isn't possible. I've heard tails of level 30+ (full groups) wiped out. This quest clearly isn't possible at the suggested level and there's absolutely no way to do it before level 30. Save your time and effort. Come back at level 60.","date":"2004-12-27T05:33:06-06:00","rating":-12,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[{"body":"This Quest is actually quite duable at the suggested level. You just have to take it slow and be careful of what you attack. My guild has ran through the instance twice and I've helped two other groups go through there, and I have only had a problem once because a warrior decided he wanted to pull instead of letting me(hunter) pull in the golbin smelting area where all the goblin engineers and there mechanical pets are.\n\nGuild group: 1st time paladin 22, warrior 21,druid 20, mage 19, hunter 21\n 2nd time paladin 25, warrior 24, druid 24, mage 22, hunter 23\nHelping Others: 1st time p","creationdate":"2004-12-29T17:18:54-06:00","id":1242979,"rating":0,"commentid":2930220,"dataTree":1,"roles":64,"username":"Allakhazam","markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"downvotedByUser":false,"reportedByUser":false,"votedByUser":false,"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"Locangard","importedSubject":"RE: Not Worth It"},{"body":"Believe it or not I completed this quest (27 Rogue) with a 29 Pally and thats it. It was very slow moving and we only died once at VC. Fortunately I got the head before I died.","creationdate":"2005-01-12T16:45:09-06:00","id":1242978,"rating":0,"commentid":2930220,"dataTree":1,"roles":64,"username":"Allakhazam","markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"downvotedByUser":false,"reportedByUser":false,"votedByUser":false,"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"MamoulianWoW","importedSubject":"RE: Not Worth It"},{"body":"I completed with 24 priest, 22 warrior, 22 mage, 24 rouge, and 21 pally, VERY easily... just know how to play the game and what your class role is. Mage pollys and nukes; priest heals, pally off-tanks a 3rd add\/heals when priest low, warrior taunt\/disarm like mad (disarm causes lots of aggro), rogue do damage. If you know how to play the game well its an easy instance; if not then its hard. dont run ahead, stick to walls if possible, only have one person pull, always pull to a safe spot, dont have everyone run up. We never had more then 3 mobs at a time (and that was rare... usually only 1","creationdate":"2005-01-29T14:40:48-06:00","id":1242980,"rating":-3,"commentid":2930220,"dataTree":1,"roles":64,"username":"Allakhazam","markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"downvotedByUser":false,"reportedByUser":false,"votedByUser":false,"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"etwonguy","importedSubject":"RE: Not Worth It"},{"body":"Then you really are doing something wrong... We raided it with 16 people average level 18 ;) No whipe whatsoever.\n\nAfterwards we performed it in a party: lvl26 warlock - lvl26 rogue - lvl21 priest - lvl21 warrior - lvl21 mage.\n\nThese quests are VERY doable at the levels they suggest.","creationdate":"2005-02-09T13:33:25-06:00","id":1242976,"rating":0,"commentid":2930220,"dataTree":1,"roles":64,"username":"Allakhazam","markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"downvotedByUser":false,"reportedByUser":false,"votedByUser":false,"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"BadN","importedSubject":"RE: Not Worth It"},{"body":"im sorry, but IF you are failing him with those levels, you must be doing something waaaay wrong...\n\ndid it with me as the highest level at 21 :| ","creationdate":"2006-03-03T21:12:04-06:00","id":1242977,"rating":0,"commentid":2930220,"dataTree":1,"roles":64,"username":"Allakhazam","markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"downvotedByUser":false,"reportedByUser":false,"votedByUser":false,"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"Retardsco","importedSubject":"RE: Not Worth It"}],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"jvanalst","importedSubject":"Not Worth It"},{"commentv2":1,"number":27,"id":2930221,"nreplies":1,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"Question Question! What level is VC, and how far is he past the section with the fire throwing goblins? What level is VC? And what level are the rogues around him? Answer please?","date":"2005-03-30T16:45:07-06:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[{"body":"This quest\/instance is not as hard as some people are making out. I did it in a group of four the other day. I was a level 22 druid and we had a rogue and 2 paladins, all under level 20. We were not an effective group: we did not know each other and we kept arguing. We had very little strategy because no-one would play tank - I had to heal all three and that was the first time I had ever had to play healer in any mmorpg. Even so, we did it with only one wipe in the furnace room.\n\nWhat helped was that the rogue was pulling and he had done it before. If you pull correctly you rarely fight ","creationdate":"2005-03-30T21:51:03-06:00","id":1242981,"rating":0,"commentid":2930221,"dataTree":1,"roles":64,"username":"Allakhazam","markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"downvotedByUser":false,"reportedByUser":false,"votedByUser":false,"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"Limorkil","importedSubject":"RE: VC.."}],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"Fernwood","importedSubject":"VC.."},{"commentv2":1,"number":28,"id":2930222,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"My first instance, was quite fun as well. Easily completed the instance with the following group:-\n-Level 24 Mage\n-Level 24 Paladin\n-Level 28 Paladin\n-Level 26 Warrior\n\nOnly had a few deaths in the whole instance, and that was only because of people getting ridiculous pulls that could quite easily have wiped us all out. The Foundary was handled brilliantly in my opinion, never got a pull of more than 2.","date":"2005-07-17T15:17:38-05:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"FatDave","importedSubject":"w00t"},{"commentv2":1,"number":29,"id":2930223,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"I LOVE THIS INSTANCE! I've only been in it three times (made it through only two times) and I say its pretty worth the money and the experience. Last time I went, I had three bags filled with green weapons by the time we got to VC. First time I went, I was a level 18 Druid. I went with a bunch of 22+ guys, except the only other healer was a level 24 Druid. When we got on the pirate ship, both of us got killed. That sucked. The second time I went, we had a level 43 Pally take us through, but obviously, that Pally didn't have much experience in the Deadmines, and got all of us low-levels wiped. Good thing Pallies can rez... The last time I went, I went with a 32 mage and a few 20-ish ppl. I was level 21. WE KICKED @$$! It was so fun.","date":"2005-08-15T11:21:03-05:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"Druidfreak","importedSubject":"The Deadmines"},{"commentv2":1,"number":30,"id":2930225,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"i got help from a high level 50+..killed him fast...i could have all the items and i earned something of 3 gold of that.","date":"2005-07-09T10:33:32-05:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"Zelzior","importedSubject":"cool"},{"commentv2":1,"number":31,"id":2930226,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"isn't possible to do this quest solo? is it that impossible to do it on lv21?","date":"2005-10-21T23:04:16-05:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"Isenhardt","importedSubject":"only groups????"},{"commentv2":1,"number":32,"id":2930227,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"Once you have done all the quests for Gryan Stoutmantle at Sentinal Hill turn around from were he is standing and you will see a Defias Traitor standing near by, do the quest for him were you need to escort him into the hideout, isn't hard if heaps of people are at Moonbrook killing the Defias. Once you get him to the door to the hideout you will complete the quest, then go back to Stoutmantle and talk to him to get the reward 1000+ exp at level 20 and then he will have a new quest for you, which is this one.\n\nEnjoy and happy hunting.","date":"2006-01-08T23:14:50-06:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"BlackCougar","importedSubject":"How to get the Vancleef quest"},{"commentv2":1,"number":33,"id":2930228,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"I'd also like to have people hold off from looting VC if there are any dead party members. I had died and the body was looted while I was away. By the time I returned, nothin'.","date":"2004-12-13T17:05:57-06:00","rating":0,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"BgJonson","importedSubject":"Don't loot without everyone there"},{"commentv2":1,"number":34,"id":2930229,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"Just finished this quest after my 6th attempt at it, 2nd today, no matter how many times i do it i never get frustrated cause its lots of fun. 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Used armor and agil pots, crip poison and one healing pot for VC.","creationdate":"2006-02-16T17:07:25-06:00","id":1242993,"rating":2,"commentid":2930249,"dataTree":1,"roles":64,"username":"Allakhazam","markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"downvotedByUser":false,"reportedByUser":false,"votedByUser":false,"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"DENecro","importedSubject":"RE: Solo?"}],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"Korvuskorax","importedSubject":"Solo?"},{"commentv2":1,"number":54,"id":2930250,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"It goes fast with lvl 60 and 20 rogue stealthrun","date":"2005-11-15T08:05:45-06:00","rating":0,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"Orcy","importedSubject":"Stealthrun"},{"commentv2":1,"number":55,"id":2930251,"nreplies":2,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"Do you have to be there to do this or can you be chilling at the entrance while a 60 rogue\/druid kills VC?","date":"2005-12-28T23:10:34-06:00","rating":-5,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[{"body":"Well, of course, you could do it that way, although looting Van Cleef's head to finish the quest may be a little difficult to do from the beginning of the instance, when he's at the end.\n\nNow, if you had 3 friends doing it for you on the other hand, one of whom was a warlock, they could summon you once the deed was done.","creationdate":"2006-01-08T00:59:13-06:00","id":1242994,"rating":3,"commentid":2930251,"dataTree":1,"roles":64,"username":"Allakhazam","markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"downvotedByUser":false,"reportedByUser":false,"votedByUser":false,"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"Drusenija","importedSubject":"RE: Do you have to?"},{"body":"I had a 60 palladin run me through once, and all you have to do is follow at a safe distance. If you hang out at the entrance, patrols spawn and you won't be able to get through unless your friend comes back and clears them again.\n\nBy the way, if you take too long doing this instance, all the mobs except the bosses will respawn again. If your group wipes, you will be doing the instance twice to finish it (and you will give up since you couldn't do it the first time anyway).","creationdate":"2006-06-27T16:33:17-05:00","id":1242995,"rating":-1,"commentid":2930251,"dataTree":1,"roles":64,"username":"Allakhazam","markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"downvotedByUser":false,"reportedByUser":false,"votedByUser":false,"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"AddictedFanatic","importedSubject":"Do you have to?"}],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"sinrtb","importedSubject":"Do you have to?"},{"commentv2":1,"number":56,"id":2930252,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"First of all if u want to do this quest try at least to have 5 players of level 20+ or two players of level 30-39,once your 40,its as easy as taking candy from a kid but when you are 20-29, always have at least one healer(shaman,druid,paladin,priest) and try to have a Rogue with u they help a lot.On the way there the most dangerous guys are:\"Mr.Smite\"(Sub Boss) and with some luck you can always find \"Cookie\", a level 20 elite that is the ship's cook and can give u (with luck) some pretty good items.Cookie wanders around so he won't always be at the same place.Tips:First, for Mr.Smite, he will be waiting at sort of entrance that bringsyou up the pirate boat and he will be guarded by an ivisible rogue but watch out!Every time u bring him down to a certain amount of life, he will stomp u and run to his chest for better weapons while u guys are stunned.So the trick is for the healer(s) or casters to get as far as possible so his stomp wont reach u and the casters continue firing their spell while the healer(s) heal the guys who are missing life while Mr.Smith continues his chit-chat.After an amount of time Mr.Smith will probably be dead by then.Also, dont go for the rogue, just finish Mr.Smith off and then just kill him 'cause M.rSmith will do much more damage.Now if u meet Cookie on the way there and u guys are 5 then its ok but if he attacks maybe 2 of you who are 20-29(unless if both of u are 28-29) then he might be easy to bring down a lot of life but at point, Cookie will run away and come back with some level 19-20 elites and they will probably kill u so the best thing to do is to either have a Hunter to stun him, a Paladin to stun him, a Warrior to War Stomp or a Mage to freeze him, then hes easy to kill, one of the best items he can give to u is a blue wand so if your a caster, you might want to try to kill him.After you continue killing guys until u get to the top of the pirate boat where you will meet VanCleef in a sort of cabin.The first thing u need to do is get to full health and mana then the strongest tank of the group goes straight at VanCleff while the others go for the two invisible guards that are surrounding him(Rogues watch out 'cause VanCleef isn't affected by either Sap or Cheap Shot so don't try it) and the healer(s) heal the guy the guy attacking VanCleef and occasionally the guys attacking the Rogues if they are losing too much life and then once the two Rogues are done, everybody goes for VanCleef and after he loses and amount of life, two rogues will come again so you redo life the last time:The tank goes for VanCleef and the rest go for the 2 Rogues and the healer(s) heals the guy attacking VanCleef and the others occasionally(try not to heal too much unless you have a lot of mana or else you will run out) and then its back to all killing VanCleef.After that he'll probably be dead and to be too disapointed if he gives you guys something you dont like 'cause there are a lot of possibilities(check it out on this site just type in The Defias Brotherhood and next to one of them will be written VanCleef's name and then click on it and they will show you a whole list of all the drops that VanCleef makes.)To go back out you should Hearthstone back home instead of doing the whole way back.Extra Tip:This is good if your doing the quest Underground Assault givin by Shoni The Shinlent in the Dwarven District in Stormwind and The Defias Brotherhood given by Gryan Stoutmantle for the Gnoam SpreckleSprocket you need to retrieve for Shoni The Shilent will be in a goblin who is in a robot all you need to do is destroy it and then loot it(it will be on the way to getting to VanCleef in a goblin room.)","date":"2007-04-04T19:36:51-05:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"fifagreg","importedSubject":"Edward VanCleef"},{"commentv2":1,"number":57,"id":2930253,"nreplies":1,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"Just finished this quest last night. I found it to be very worth the work. We breezed through it last night and put on a near flawless performance with no deaths at all.\n\n25 priest, 25 mage, 21 druid, 21 rogue, 21 hunter\n\nAs the druid, I was the tank for the big fights. For everything except the bosses I was in cat form and we just dps'd everything till it died. When we aproached the bosses I would pull the boss with fairefire, switch to bear form and tank him while the rest of the group kills the goons.\n\nI pulled the mobs when we got to the boat. Using fairy fire is very effective to pull small groups and predebuffs the mob being pulled.\n\nTubby: wait for him to walk away from his guards, then pull, you'll single him every time. After he dies, deal with his guards.\n\nShredder: Pull all guards before attempting the Shredder. For the guards at the far door, wait for the Shredder to path back up the ramp. Once all the guards are cleared you pull the Shredder and beat it down. When he dies the operator pops out and you have to kill him too.\n\nEngineer Room: Clear around the cog all the goblins, when you get to the door the boss is acompanied by 2 guards. One of the guards can be pulled away from the Boss adn the other guard. Pull him and kill him. When engaging the Boss, you can either sheep the guard and kill the boss, or just kill the guard while the Tank occupies the boss.\n\nFirst Mate: Once the dock is cleared it's very important how you pull the first mate and his rogue buddies. The tank will inch up till he agro's the stealthed rogues, this will also pull the first mate. The mobs on the deck will not agro! We had a mage so one rogue got turned into a sheep. The Tank should [b]always[\/b] stay on the main boss. The rest of the party needs to kill the remaining rogue, then kill the sheep, then dps the Boss. For the first mate he will stun the party 2 during the fight. As far as I can see it is not resistable, but he runs back to his chest and pulls some stuff out. Nothing big, just some dramatics, when you're unstunned keep dpsing him down.\n\nClearing the ship: Clearing the first deck is basically the same as clearing the rest of the instance zone. Once you get to the first ramp, everyone stays on the first deck while the puller brings the mobs down to the group. If you try and crawl up to the top deck, then once you get to the first grp on the top, you will agro the captain any all the other mobs on the ship. If you pull them indivdually then you'll be fine. I waited till the captain rounded the back of the ship, not sure if it makes a difference and I didn't want to take that chance :)\n\nCaptain: Once the top deck is cleared, everyone can move up the ramps and along the deck to where the ent to the deck is. You can pull the captain or inch up to him the way you did with the first mate. Either way you pull him you'll get his two guards with him. Tank him the same way you tanked the first mate.\n\nVanCleef: VanCleef is located in the main cabin. You can see him if you peer in, but don't get too close until you're ready for him. You'll pull VC the same way you pulled the First Mate, he will have two rogue guards materialize when he's agro'd. Deal with them the same way you dealt with the First Mate's rogues. WARNING: shortly into the fight 2 more rogues will show up! We had the first two rogues dead before the second ones showed up so it wasn't a big deal, just a little surprise. We finished VC off before dealing with the rogues. But you can continue having the tank hold off VC while the rest of the group finishes the rogues. The Hunter's pet off tanked one of the new rogues so it wasn't on the priest. \n\nIt's important that you have a tank who can taunt so that the boss doesn't pull off and start pounding down the rest of the party. With a decent tank and a compitent healer, there should be no problems keeping everyone alive during the boss fights. We wiped the first night we tried just as the instance was respawning so we didn't attempt it again, but the second night we went in we used this strategy and came out of it feeling it was very easily done.\n\nHope this helps!\n\nJonais 22 Druid Darkspear\nKishan 13 Hunter Doomhammer","date":"2005-01-04T19:24:18-06:00","rating":21,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[{"body":"Sorry can you be a bit more specific. There's not enough detail in this. ;^p","creationdate":"2005-03-30T00:35:14-06:00","id":1242996,"rating":-4,"commentid":2930253,"dataTree":1,"roles":64,"username":"Allakhazam","markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"downvotedByUser":false,"reportedByUser":false,"votedByUser":false,"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"SpoojDungbeetle","importedSubject":"RE: Walkthrough"}],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"Kishan","importedSubject":"Walkthrough"},{"commentv2":1,"number":58,"id":2930254,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"Just a heads up to folks who die before you get VAn Cleef's head. I went in as a lvl 19 mage, 20 war, 22 warlock, 29 paladin, and a 31 mage. We beat van cleef - but we got wiped out by his minions. Note - Polymorph really helped alot when used on the minions while the party fought VC.\n\nBut here's the main thing - if you fought VC and defeat him, yet not everyone gets the head - His Average respawn can be 30 minutes to 1 hour for his respawn. My group wasnt sure about his respawn, so I stayed back to see if he would at all. I repeat dont leave if you have the time, cause he will respawn.","date":"2005-01-11T16:05:22-06:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"Neotiger","importedSubject":"IF you die, DONT LEAVE!!!"},{"commentv2":1,"number":59,"id":2930255,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"My group's method for VC himself way simple, kill him. All we did was get all the members to focus on VC, kill him, loot the head and jump off the boat. Watch out tho, if you jump off the left side (the side you didnt come up on), there's a named murloc in the water who'll probably take you out.\n\n-Rkor, 30 hunter, Draenor","date":"2005-02-08T05:15:56-06:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"GiminiKricket","importedSubject":"killin VC"},{"commentv2":1,"number":60,"id":2930256,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"how long does it take","date":"2005-04-13T02:05:17-05:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"Edgaraaa","importedSubject":"van"},{"commentv2":1,"number":61,"id":2930257,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"I don't know about pirates, but Van Cleef and his rogues sure can swim. I did the instance last night solo with my level 33 paladin and killed everyone but haven't managed to kill Van Cleef (those blasted rogues got me in the end). So I took it from the beginning with the help of a level 43 warrior and done the whole instance in less than 20 mins I think :)","date":"2005-05-06T06:20:01-05:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"KTF","importedSubject":"Solo"},{"commentv2":1,"number":62,"id":2930258,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"i started soloing this instance when i was lvl 36 , i never died , till i was playing around and an through the whole boat and aggrod everything for fun. . all u need to do is just keep using pet , and have track huminoids to see if patrol is coming","date":"2006-05-06T23:15:03-05:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"Shindea","importedSubject":"EASY"},{"commentv2":1,"number":63,"id":2930259,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"this instance is most fun when you have a well balanced group around the lvls of 20-23 any higher or lower and its to slow going or not enough of a fight. for soloing (i have soled with druid pally rogue and hunter) i would wait till you are about lvl 36-40 depending on class and if you are a cloth class then i would wait longer..unless twinked. but this is one of the most fun instances and a good learning exp for the newer players. Lots of cloth cash and items that you can sell\/DE.","date":"2006-07-12T05:09:11-05:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"oakshard","importedSubject":"VC=fun"},{"commentv2":1,"number":64,"id":2930260,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"What level is this soloable as a warlock, I tried soloing it today as a lvl 40 and got killed at the shredder. Too much health for me :(.","date":"2006-12-11T03:20:00-06:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"wowlocklock","importedSubject":"Soloable"},{"commentv2":1,"number":65,"id":2930261,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"im a lvl 29 twink warior and i can solo it right up until you blow the doors open with the cannon... and i dont get xp at all... oh and i got a lvl 19 twink rouge and i wanted to know if you actualy have to be lvl 22 to get the stuff or is it recomended?","date":"2007-03-13T11:19:55-05:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"GLB","importedSubject":"vc"},{"commentv2":1,"number":66,"id":2930262,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"I did it with a 17 Rouge and a group of 22+, the trick is TAKE YOUR TIME don't rush through and pull everything. Just stay focused and work together and it's not that hard. \n\nBringing someone who can res is extremely helpful too, you'll want to protect this person well. Trust me, getting 3\/4 of the way into the instance and getting killed, and having to run back through the whole instance to get back to your party is a real pain.","date":"2005-04-06T14:22:38-05:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"skreen","importedSubject":"Best Method"},{"commentv2":1,"number":67,"id":2930263,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"Shouldn't take your group more than an hour and a half to do this entire instance. I'll lay out some working strategies as best I can.\n\nIn the corridors, which is most of the zone, you just need to watch what\/how you pull. I've pulled the entire dungeon as a level 22 Hunter and never gotten more than one add. You really need someone with a ranged attack to pull. If it's a caster who shouldn't be tanking, they need to use their lowest level spell to pull with, so they don't cause much initial aggro. If it HAS to be a paladin or druid, then they need to pull the mob and back up quite a bit. Runners in here will get you adds, which cause wipes.\n\nThe first boss is an ogre. He walks up and down a path. If you've never done this before, watch him a couple times, and pull him when he's farthest from the door to avoid adds. There is a patrol after him, which will need to be neutralized before going through teh door.\n\nThe next boss is the Shredder, and it's pilot (Sneed?). This is fairly simple, as the shredder also has a set path. Pull him just as he begins walking up the hill, but make sure all the goblins around the wood are dead. The second and final patrol is here.\n\nNext, you go down another corridor and into the Foundry. This is where most groups wipe. It is IMPERATIVE that your puller pay attention to the pathing of the goblins. Often they won't follow, but instead they will begin shooting. You will have to back out of their gun range to force them away from their friends to prevent adds. A single add in this area is difficult for a low level group, and can cause a wipe quite quickly. Also, the goblins in this area seem to have a high aggro range. Gilnik? is the boss of this area, over next to the door. He's not really too tough.\n\nNext up is another corridor which ends with a cannon pointed at the door. You'll need blasting powder from a room nearby to activate the cannon. This leads to the docks. The docks are easy until you get to the ramp leading up to the ship. There will be 2 stealthed rogues at the bottom of the ramp, and Smite, the Tauren, at the top. The main tank should engage Smite at the wide area before the turn to the plank, while the rest of the group deals with the rogues even further back. The healer should be at maximum range from the warrior to avoid Smite's stun. The reason for being farther away from the ramp is so that Smite will have to cover distance to run to his chest to switch his weapons, allowing more time for the stun to wear off. Once the rogues are dealt with, the rest of the group can engage Smite.\n\nAt the top of the ramp, going right will lead to Captain Greenskin and Van Cleef. Going left will lead to Cookie, the murlock cook, and the exit. Just keep pulling slowly and keep the mobs being engaged far enough away from any potential adds. Once you reach the top platform, watch out for Greenskin. He patrols the top deck where VC is, but he will assist mobs on the platform below, so wait on him to patrol around to the other side before pulling. Once everything else is dead, pull Greenskin when he reaches the plank which leads to the top deck. He usually has 2 or 3 mobs linked to him, so this fight can be rough. Once Greenskin is down, it's time for VC.\n\nVC has 2 rogue friends who will assist him in the fight. When he reaches half life, 2 more will spawn. Use the same strategy as with Smite, with the MT on VC while the rest of the group deals with the adds. VC doesn't have an AOE stun like Smite though, but he's tougher and has more DPS, so the healer will likely need to keep attention on the MT. As a 22 Hunter, I was able to use my pet to tank VC while I healed it, while the rest of the group dealt with the adds. This helped the healer both on mana and on aggro, though in the end the pet finally died when I ran OOM, and VC proceeded to kill me. The group succeeded in finishing him off, and a rez later and we headed for the zone.\n\nExperience really helps a lot here. Once you reach the docks, if a wipe seems imminent, jump in the water, as the pirates can't swim. Ironic, ain't it?\n\nEdited, Thu Apr 21 00:15:18 2005","date":"2005-04-21T04:13:55-05:00","rating":21,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"FUSIONBLOCK","importedSubject":"strategies"},{"commentv2":1,"number":68,"id":2930264,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"Best thing to do if ya wnt to do it lower lvl ask a high lvl player hus hanging around to run u throught or a friend hus in a group","date":"2006-10-06T17:37:21-05:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"deadmetal","importedSubject":"GROUP"},{"commentv2":1,"number":69,"id":2930265,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"Completed this instance with my buddy. Two Paladins. I was level 26 and he was level 18. I was the hitter and he was support. Waas difficult at times to get through because his level 18 arse kept aggro'ing but we soon figured out everything. VanCleef was a major disappointment in the fight and the minibosses were lacking, although Mr Smite was crazy. :)\n\nBasic Strategy through the entire thing, level 18 healslave and stun. Level 26 Seal of Command, Stun, Judgement combo. Have the level 18 stay far behind. Just in healing range. We talked through the entire instance so communication is really important. Once we kill Mr Smite, I recorded the rest with Fraps. :)","date":"2006-10-21T17:26:38-05:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"Gadreel","importedSubject":"Level 26 and level 18"},{"commentv2":1,"number":70,"id":2930266,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"solo'd all the way to VC as a 29 NE hunter with a lvl 29 ghost saber pet.\nforgot about the extra rogues he has with him....oh well at least i got to him muhahahaha...","date":"2006-12-11T15:10:37-06:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"lordarion","importedSubject":"ouch"},{"commentv2":1,"number":71,"id":2930267,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"Warrior to tank, Druid to of heal \/ of tank, Mage for Poly and Good DMG, Priest to Heal, and perhaps a rogue ;) ( Never likes paladins, they tend to steal aggro from the tank too much. ) Just take it slow ( Especially at Foundry ), And you`l make it easily :)","date":"2006-05-16T20:08:35-05:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"Cobraen","importedSubject":"Easier than AQ, Woot ?!"},{"commentv2":1,"number":72,"id":2930269,"nreplies":1,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"I'm a 27 NE hunter, when should i be able to solo it?","date":"2006-06-29T19:47:31-05:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[{"body":"Back in the noobish days, I solod VC with my 40 warlock. Well actually I died at him, but that was due to lack of skill\/quick thinking. ","creationdate":"2006-07-08T20:06:53-05:00","id":1242997,"rating":0,"commentid":2930269,"dataTree":1,"roles":64,"username":"Allakhazam","markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"downvotedByUser":false,"reportedByUser":false,"votedByUser":false,"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"yayayaay","importedSubject":"Solo"}],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"StreetlightManifesto","importedSubject":"Solo"},{"commentv2":1,"number":73,"id":2930270,"nreplies":1,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"I did this instance with a small group of three (21rogue (me) 20warrior and 26 druid) we made it all the way to VC, we killed him but ran away from his rogues.\nBut i didnt have the quest back then, now im lvl 24rogue and have the quest. Should i kepp the westfall tunic or should i try to find something better?\n\n(i think +11agility is pretty good for rogues, no?","date":"2007-03-29T14:38:02-05:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[{"body":"Of course if your a rogue i really think that you should take the tunic is specially if you are level 19-27,even my brother's rogue which is level 29 still wants it so i think you should take it.\n","creationdate":"2007-04-04T19:41:34-05:00","id":1242998,"rating":0,"commentid":2930270,"dataTree":1,"roles":64,"username":"Allakhazam","markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"downvotedByUser":false,"reportedByUser":false,"votedByUser":false,"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"fifagreg","importedSubject":"To keep or not to keep?"}],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"Etheldir","importedSubject":"To keep or not to keep?"},{"commentv2":1,"number":74,"id":2930272,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"This was a lot harder than I expected. Make sure you heed the previous advice and have a few hrs to spare. My group did it with me lvl 18 Pal, 19 War, 19 Rogue....AND 40 Mage. It was crazy, but way fun. My additional advice: make sure you have lots of space in your inventory, so you won't have to drop needed stuff because you will get lots of cool stuff.","date":"2004-12-24T15:30:18-06:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"victorcharlie","importedSubject":"my instance"},{"commentv2":1,"number":75,"id":2930273,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"When my group killed VC and we found this really nice Armor on him and lotted for it. What was stupid was that i got a tie lot with another guy, and another person which got a lower number than us just walks up and loots the armor from us. Blizzard should fix something stupid like this.","date":"2005-01-05T23:16:08-06:00","rating":0,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"Wtfru","importedSubject":"looting sucks"},{"commentv2":1,"number":76,"id":2930274,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"This QUEST is easily done...if u have a lvl 30+, a healer, and a tank, its is VEY DOABLE...VERY....and is recomemded not to try to solo until ur lvl 40ish...if ur a pally do it at lvl 35 and see how u go...might make it...i'd still say lvl 40 for priest soz...not powerful enough...even though u have better healing...And dont know how u didnt finish it becuse that portal is end potal at ship...VC is at the top and to get to \"trick portal\" u need to go that way first...NOOB","date":"2006-12-05T04:42:35-06:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"creepyrogue","importedSubject":"DM\/VC easiness"},{"commentv2":1,"number":77,"id":2930275,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"it has been said that the first mate's stuns are not resistable... maybe so.. but i have found a way around that... if you stun him first.. and beat him throuth the health that he would stun you... he will not... he will just go to his chest for the next weapon.. and you can get in crazy hits and damage for free.\n\ni have done this on four seperate occasions so it is repeatable and wasnt a fluke.","date":"2005-03-19T09:41:11-06:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"rekabm","importedSubject":"The first mate"},{"commentv2":1,"number":78,"id":2930276,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"same here i can not get quest anywhere did all the brotherhood kill quests and cann not get another quest from anyone at tower? where do i get vc quest now?","date":"2006-01-01T16:41:06-06:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"alleryn","importedSubject":"van cleeve"},{"commentv2":1,"number":79,"id":2930277,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"Revisited the Deadmines as a level 33 Retribution Paladin. Solo'd it fine. Just watch your pulls. Too many and it doesn't matter how many protection-heal's you have.\n\nI can run through most of the DM with Seal of Command on and kill the Defias Miners, the goblins would have to be the hardest part. Lots of good drops to sell at the AC or to DE. :) Made it to VC, didn't even bother killing his lackies because he'd just respawn them. If you don't kill the lackies, than VC doesn't respawn any more than two. They were weak afterwards though because of my Retribution Aura but if you find yourself in a bind, switch off to Concentration Aura and heal yourself and don't forget that Judging with Command deals double damage when the target is stunned. :)","date":"2007-01-03T18:25:03-06:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"Gadreel","importedSubject":"Follow-up"},{"commentv2":1,"number":80,"id":2930278,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Allakhazam","body":"Doing this quest first introduced me to the Dead Mines. It was fun going through and getting TONS of awsome armor and weapons and stuff.","date":"2007-01-31T00:58:01-06:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":64,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":1,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"imported":true,"importedAuthor":"hookpwner","importedSubject":"FUN"},{"commentv2":1,"number":81,"id":3178916,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"deadpacman","body":"Hopefully you didn't skip through the quest text throughout this quest chain. It was, and still is, a simple but marvellous story in which it is ponderous if the adventurers truly were the heroes for slaying VanCleef, despite his trespasses. Here's a rundown of what transpired throughout the quest chain:\n\nGryan Stoutmantle of Westfall learns that a faction calling themselves the Defias Brotherhood is responsible for driving the people of Westfall from their homes. He tasks the player to seek the aid of Wiley the Black in Lakeshire - a rogue who owes Stoutmantle a favor.\n\nWiley complies with the request for information, and has the player return a note to Stoutmantle. The note states that the Brotherhood is larger than previously thought, and that the Kobolds and Gnolls of Westfall are also part of the conspiracy. They have hired Goblins to produce the mechanical harvest golems seen throughout Westfall. The note also states that they have an underground network from Booty Bay as far as Stormwind Keep, and that they are working on a weapon of mass destruction. It also mentions the name \"Stonemasons.\"\n\nUpon returning the note to Stoutmantle, he ponders if Wiley mentioning the Stonemasons was a slip of tongue, and perhaps they are connected to the Brotherhood. He asks the player to speak to Matthias Shaw of SI:7 for more information.\n\nShaw writes a report for Stoutmantle which details what he knows about the Stonemasons. In the report, it is revealed that the Stonemasons Guild was responsible for rebuilding Stormwind after the First War. Their leader was Edwin VanCleef (also of note is that Baros Alexston, the current Stormwind City Architect, was also a former member). The nobles of Stormwind, however, refused to pay the Stonemasons for their service - the guild was left bankrupt and largely forgotten by the city's corrupt officials. Shaw states that he was a close personal friend of VanCleef for much of his life, and that if he is behind the Brotherhood, the situation is more grave than even he thought.\n\nStoutmantle then seeks confirmation that the leader of the Brotherhood is in fact VanCleef. He tasks the player with waylaying a Defias messenger spotted travelling between the Jangolode Mine and Moonbrook. The messenger was carrying a cryptic letter that was signed by VanCleef.\n\nWhile retrieving proof of VanCleef's role in the Brotherhood, Stoutmantle and his men captured a thief attempting to steal a wagon who also happened to be a memeber of the Brotherhood. In exchange for his life, the thief claims that he will reveal the location of the Brotherhood's hideout; Stoutmantle has the player escort the thief and it is revealed that the Brotherhood's den of operations is a vast underground tunnel network, beginning under the village of Moonbrook, known as the Deadmines.\n\nThe final task is to enter the Deadmines and slay VanCleef once and for all. Once complete, a letter may be recovered from his body, which sparks further hints of a conspiracy of corruption within Stormwind and begins the Stockades quest chain.","date":"2019-12-29T15:46:04-06:00","rating":13,"indent":0,"roles":0,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":4,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"lastEdit":["2020-01-10T00:24:56-06:00",1,"deadpacman"]},{"commentv2":1,"number":82,"id":3299316,"nreplies":1,"sticky":0,"user":"Lunaeros","body":"On the quest, when I exited the instance and went to turn in I noticed no head. I thought maybe I forgot to loot, but I got the Unsent Letter, so I must have. Head drop is not 100%, even if you're on the quest. Might have to do multiple runs for this one.","date":"2021-02-08T23:40:45-06:00","rating":1,"indent":0,"roles":0,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[{"body":"That is absolutely not intended and has never been that way before. If that happened to you it was either a bug or some other reason. Your bags could have been almost full with only one slot and you looted quickly and moved on. Many other reasons, but not at all intended to ever take more than one kill if you have that quest - it wouldn't even make sense thematically.","creationdate":"2021-07-26T16:31:47-05:00","id":1504270,"rating":1,"commentid":3299316,"dataTree":4,"roles":0,"username":"taskun56","markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false},"downvotedByUser":false,"reportedByUser":false,"votedByUser":false}],"dataTree":4,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":true,"ptr2":true,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false}},{"commentv2":1,"number":83,"id":6434485,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Bloodydemize","body":"This quest currently gives 9,750 experience in the beta.","date":"2026-09-23T19:44:04-05:00","rating":3,"indent":0,"roles":0,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":16,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":false,"ptr2":false,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false}},{"commentv2":1,"number":84,"id":6438940,"nreplies":0,"sticky":0,"user":"Cordraven","body":"Think quest is currently bugged, turned in quest at lvl 20 on my druid and wasn't given any reward to get staff i wanted","date":"2026-09-30T23:46:28-05:00","rating":2,"indent":0,"roles":0,"deleted":0,"outofdate":0,"userRating":0,"replies":[],"dataTree":16,"markupDisabledEnvironments":{"ptr":false,"ptr2":false,"beta":false,"d4ptr":false,"d4beta":false,"classicptr":false}}];
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<noscript><div id="user-comments"><h2 class="heading-size-2">Comments</h2><div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>8828</b></h3>When you aggro him two stealthed elites come out to attack the party as well. Make sure to take out these first because he summons more of them. Have an off-tank (paladin, shaman, druid, or extra warrior) ready to pick up the ones he summons so they don't destroy your healer.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>6984</b></h3>Horde can do Deadmines too... Shamans are possible<br /><br />Vancleef isn't too hard if done well. You'll have encountered harder bosses and areas in the instance, such as the large tauren captain who stuns, and the upper deck with Cookie and his friends. Apart from the rogues, he isn't too hard to kill. Just be prepared.<br />A mage can polymorph one, a rogue can sap one. Make sure your party is on the deck, as standing below can mean you can't cast as your target is not in view. The tank should attack Vancleef, with DPS backup. Perhaps get one party member to run around, with the 2 bodyguards following, while the other 4 bring down the boss. When VC is dead, it is easy to mop up the others.<br />A party of about level 20+ should not find killing this too difficult, provided your party is well-balanced (tank, healer, DPS) and can co-operate well.<br /><br />Vancleef drops some really good loot, such as the famed Cruel Barb, a green polearm, and other good loot. He also drops a letter, starting a very large quest series which leads onto a reward - The Seal of Wrynn, a ring which will last you until about level 50!<br /><br />Be sure to do this quest, whatever race you are. These items will last you for many levels. Even if you're horde, don't be put off, you can still get to DM if you're careful. Sadly, you can't do the quest.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>8234</b></h3>When you finally get all the way through Deadmines and you get to VanCleef be sure to watch out for his guards they will easy take you down because theres like four of them and then on top theres VanCleef. so all im trying to say is watch out and keep healling and eventually you'll be victoryious.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>5463</b></h3>If you get in too deep when you're fighting VanCleef, or just on the ship in general, there is a sanctuary that you can get to and wait for everything to retreat so you can regroup. There is a large wheel-like thing on the side of the ship about half-way up (you can't miss it). Jump in top of it, and nothing in this area can get to you; even the caster-pirates will run back and forth, and eventually give up.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Thottbot</b></h3>The gun powder is right befor you get to the cannon. When your going towards cannon look to right to see 2 miners ( i think ) and the gun powder on floor.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Thottbot</b></h3>for all u people who are extremely naive<br /><br />5 quest total for deadmines<br /><br />1.VC quest from defias brotherhood- links to another quest into stockades<br /><br />2.red silk bandanas quest - from person on top of the tower of westfall in sentinal hill<br /><br />3.goblin in dwarven district rear in stormwind giving u underground assault<br /><br />4.thistnistles badge from dwarf in the bar right of the southern entrance in dwarven district<br /><br />5.collecting memory miner union cards (pick up from purple area before instance from the undead) get it from thistnistle guy at dwarven district, same guy<br /><br />these are all 5 quests i took with me, i did the last 4, vc i went back to do wen i had a better group. take all 5 with u wen u do it</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Thottbot</b></h3>There are two thing I have to add:<br /><br />1. Right after the shredder room, at the left hand side mini branch, there is possibly a rare spawn, miner johnson, who can drop a shield warrior/paladin will kill for at this level.<br /><br />2. On the top level of the ship, there is a group of three including 1 caster, 1 melee and captain greenskin. It is advised that you stay clear of them when clearing the lower levels. Greenskin will drop emberstone staff, which is perfect for any caster until illusionary rod.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Thottbot</b></h3>I've wiped on this one many times, if your group is clueless you will all die.&nbsp; Found my chi with 2 pally's 2 rogues and a mage.&nbsp; All between lvl 20-26.&nbsp; Everyone knew what they were doing, took it down in less than 30 min.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Thottbot</b></h3>There seem to be a lot of questions about level. It's usually not a good idea to go in without everyone being in the 20s, but if everyone knows what they're doing you can take in a lower level player. I did deadmines once with a level 15 priest and a really good group, and it went fine. We had to work to protect that priest. You just draw a LOT of aggro if your level is that low. I'd wait since you can't use the quest reward gear until level 20something anyway. The skills you get at level 20 will also help you survive this instance.<br /><br />Other than folks at level 20 often not knowing what they're doing, the hardest part of this instance for me has been people leaving before it's done. I did one runthrough with a level 60 and have gone through with 3 other groups of level low-20s. Each time, those groups have had to quit because 2 people left. Twice, we were on the deck of the ship SO close to finishing when the second person left. There is no way to win the Van Cleef fight with just 3 level-appropriate players.<br /><br />I think a lot of folks don't know this takes a couple hours, and that it would be smart to get people to commit to finishing up front. Not saying it isn't still fun to run 90% of the instance and quit - it's really entertaining, with casters, an ogre, goblins, and pirates - and for Horde I think it's worth the swim to Westfall just to do an instance that's more fun than WC or SFK. But for Alliance, it can be frustrating to put in a whole evening and not get those great rewards (my mage used Staff of Westfall well into the 30s) because somebody just decides, &quot;g2g&quot; and logs out.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>ok, this instance is fun as heck, i've done it about 6 times.<br /><br />there are several doors you go thru to proceed to the next portion, each door is brotected by a boss.<br /><br />Ogre, sneed and his shredder machine, a Big goblin.<br /><br />the ogre is easy, just hack and slash.<br /><br />the shredder machine is simple also, just remember, sneed jump out of machine when it dies, he is hidden within the graphics of the dead shredder, so if ya getting hit, pull him out of the graphics of the dead machine.<br /><br />goblin will have a few buddies with him, healer be on the ball.<br /><br />the main thing to remember about the doors, when ya proceed thru them, 3 defilias spawn behind ya, wizards, taskmaster. So as you start fighting into the next section, watch your backs.<br /><br />when ya get into the pirate area, the first RAMP you get to will have a tauren, SMITE. he has some invisible rogues with him (3), the key to this fight will be your main tank tanking the Bull, with everyone else killing the rogues. When you get Smite down to about 75%, he stunns everyone and if the rogues are NOT dead, they will get free shots at ya for about 8-10 seconds (this can kill most lower lvl 20's).<br /><br />once all the rogues dead, everyone focus on Smite.<br /><br />Another named on the way up is the captain, he is a goblin, and has an posse of 3-4 with him, again, have MT focus on captain while everyone else kills the adds.<br /><br />when Ya get to VC himself, he has 3-4 invised rogues with him, MT on VC, everyone else on the rogues. Someone should keep an eye on your primary healer and be prepaired to pull 2-3 rogues off the healer (or heal the healer).<br /><br />about halfway thru the fight, 2-3 more rogues apear and assist VC, so everyone but MT off VC and kill the rogues again. when they all dead, everyone back on VC.<br /><br />if someone dies AND someone loots VC, KEEP THE LOOT BOX OPEN until the rezzed person can loot (if they need the head)</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>24 warr, 23 hnter, 19 rogue, 20 mage, 21 priest.<br /><br />crowd control very important. hunter must mark the warrior's target, hunter's pet must offtank one add, hunter must offtank another, mage must sheep, everyone has to be smart and keep the priest alive. pulls are 3 and four at a time.<br /><br />we got VC and battle-looted the quest items, then wiped out to his goons :) that's plenty good enuf: pack up and go home, job completed.<br /><br />I will go back and help others. It was my fifth try. Group was lower-level than my others, just better performers. The battle is very difficult.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>If you're having second thoughts, brush them aside. You only need at least 1 paladin w/rez, 1 extra healer (druid/priest) and the rest can be Warriors/Hunters. At least a group of 4 with levels in the average of 21, with those below being able to either put out spells or tank to a point.<br /><br />In this Quest the hardest things to do are keeping your party healed, and watching agro. Let your Hunter/Druid pull one at a time. Then let your tanks (Warrior/Paladin/Druid) keep them busy while the rest beat the holy heck outta what comes your way.<br /><br />Parties get wiped out because they either rushed in and aggro'd a 3 or more people mob at once, or did not keep an eye on the life of their companions.<br /><br />This quest is QUITE worthwhile in items/XP/and silver. Just have some good help :)</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>is there anyway to do this quest solo? is it that impossible to make it on lv21?</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>I just finished it, but I am wondering, if I don't hand the head in can I keep coming back into the instance? I would like to try to get some better drops.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>when you reach teh top where VC is if you are a caster/ranged attacker stand on the cannons that are to the left of the ramp up there. this realy helped when i was healing. it's also fun to have a ranged attacker have agro while on the canon. then thay just stand at the ege of the boat even if someone else is attacking</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>whats a good lvl for a pally to try this solo, also since i'm a newb does anyone know what the best spells/abilities for a pally to use<br />thanks</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>I tried getting getting the quest from Stoutmantle, but he does give it to me. I did all the previos Defias Brotherhood quests....he just doesnt talk to me anymore. If some1 can tell me what im doing wrong, welcome :D</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>tried to solo this as a 20 druid.<br /><br />i got through the instance part until the part with the big locked door (i had been prowling in cat form the whole way in). The 19 elite guard did 250 damage to me and killed me in one big hit :P</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>Its not so hard did it on my 3rd try with a level 26 Hunter, 21 and 22 Warrrior, 18 Paladin(me), and one level 17 Hunter. Didn't even die once on the final run.<br /><br />Just watch the aggro, think before you rush in, and don't do anything stupid and you'll be fine.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>I tried getting getting the qeust from Stoutmantle, but he does give it to me. I did all the previos Defias Brotherhood quests....he just dont talk to me anymore. If some1 can tell me whta im doing wrogn, welcome :D</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>This quest is easily do able<br /><br />did it at a low level and again as a 28 rogue and 24 priest....<br /><br />didn't die once<br /><br />didn't take long<br /><br />*hint* jump on the big wheel on the side of teh ship where VC is, if u get in trouble</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>Soloing:<br />LVL 30 Rouge in LVL 30 greens and blues, this is an easy instance.<br />36+ for all other classes to solo, maybe hunts and mages can get away w/ it earlier</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>blu<br /><br /><i>Edited, Nov 22nd 2006 12:57pm by Sewgoth</i></div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>i have a lvl 65 mage mm8 with enchanting 300 and is going thro dm with me and will give me all good drops greens+ im gettin 1x crul barb blackend defias and ive got a shadowfang enchanted for firey wepon enchant crulbarb lifestealing and the boddy like 100health but the best 1s<br /><br />SwiftSlash Bronzebeard lvl 19twink</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>Van Cleef is on top of the pirate ship, at the end of the instance. Just be careful when you're getting to Van Cleef because he has a couple of invisible rogues to help him out.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>This is a great instance and quest. We did it twice the other night. Upgraded my 2h Axe on the first run. 2nd time through I upgraded my axe *again* and got the Defias chestpiece - 2 blue items in one trip. The Defias chestpiece is better than the leather chest reward for killing Van Cleef.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3><b>This quest is so not worth it.</b><br /><br />I've tried it 3 times now and still haven't managed to kill VC. I've only even managed to make it to him once.<br /><br />Our first group: Rog23, Pal22, Pal20, Warrior21, Mage22<br />Third group: Rog23, Pal22, Warlock24, Mage21, Hunter23<br />Second group: Rog23, Hunter29, Warrior32, Warrior25, Mage22<br /><br />It just plain isn't possible. I've heard tails of level 30+ (full groups) wiped out. This quest clearly isn't possible at the suggested level and there's absolutely no way to do it before level 30. Save your time and effort. Come back at level 60.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>Question Question! What level is VC, and how far is he past the section with the fire throwing goblins? What level is VC? And what level are the rogues around him? Answer please?</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>My first instance, was quite fun as well. Easily completed the instance with the following group:-<br />-Level 24 Mage<br />-Level 24 Paladin<br />-Level 28 Paladin<br />-Level 26 Warrior<br /><br />Only had a few deaths in the whole instance, and that was only because of people getting ridiculous pulls that could quite easily have wiped us all out. The Foundary was handled brilliantly in my opinion, never got a pull of more than 2.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>I LOVE THIS INSTANCE! I've only been in it three times (made it through only two times) and I say its pretty worth the money and the experience. Last time I went, I had three bags filled with green weapons by the time we got to VC. First time I went, I was a level 18 Druid. I went with a bunch of 22+ guys, except the only other healer was a level 24 Druid. When we got on the pirate ship, both of us got killed. That sucked. The second time I went, we had a level 43 Pally take us through, but obviously, that Pally didn't have much experience in the Deadmines, and got all of us low-levels wiped. Good thing Pallies can rez... The last time I went, I went with a 32 mage and a few 20-ish ppl. I was level 21. WE KICKED @$$! It was so fun.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>i got help from a high level 50+..killed him fast...i could have all the items and i earned something of 3 gold of that.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>isn't possible to do this quest solo? is it that impossible to do it on lv21?</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>Once you have done all the quests for Gryan Stoutmantle at Sentinal Hill turn around from were he is standing and you will see a Defias Traitor standing near by, do the quest for him were you need to escort him into the hideout, isn't hard if heaps of people are at Moonbrook killing the Defias. Once you get him to the door to the hideout you will complete the quest, then go back to Stoutmantle and talk to him to get the reward 1000+ exp at level 20 and then he will have a new quest for you, which is this one.<br /><br />Enjoy and happy hunting.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>I'd also like to have people hold off from looting VC if there are any dead party members. I had died and the body was looted while I was away. By the time I returned, nothin'.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>Just finished this quest after my 6th attempt at it, 2nd today, no matter how many times i do it i never get frustrated cause its lots of fun. I admit it was much easier since i got my taskmaster axe.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>took him out with a group of 4... i was the only one over lvl 20. i tanked and we took out his entire fleet. worth it for the rare item and xp. worst part by far was the goblin section. bring someone who can sheep.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>well last night i a lvl15 druid,lvl17 hunter,lvl 24 rogue and a lvl38 druid call manticore same guild as mine the thriteen apostles!he rawks man helping us to pass the deadmines only die once and when we reach the ship i had to go if i stay down we sure kill VC sob had to do again!</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>This quests blows</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>I just completed for the first time yesterday, not as complicated as I thought and I easily completed it with a <br /><br />21 hunter (me)<br />19 mage<br />18 warrior <br />20 priest<br /><br />and we picked up a 26 warrior halfway through<br /><br />its not that bad thogh I was pulling the wholee time and though I have decent gear for my lvl I only came close to dying on the bosses but Kitty on the other hand(my tank buddy) died 3 times but I just rez him feed him and fight him</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>where i can find him? the VC?</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>It really isnt that hard... and for all of the low levels... just try to find a nice lvl 60 who isnt busy and they will help you run it. I did this instance when i was lvl 12 with help from a 58 pally. Good drops and good quest rewards. *Best Drops* : Sneed: Glinid: Cpt. Greenskin: Mr. Smite: VC: <br /><br />*Hint* If you are 15 or below get a pally so they can rez you. They are definitly faster than priests but slower than warriors, but warriors cant rez.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>This quest is long. You probably need a five person group around lvl 20. My group barely made it, and we were 20-19-23-23-21.<br />make sure to have a couple hours to play...</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>im a lvl 21 druid. should i go solo or wit a group? im pretty good with feral combat.<br />pls reply</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>2 Preist = healer and rezer<br />1 Paladin = Auras<br />1 Warlock = tank with blue guy<br />1 Warrior = Dmg efficiancy<br /><br />If the preist u are playing with has healing and rez (probly does) then replace 1 preist with a mage<br />1 Mage = SPLASH dmg</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>I ran this with a group all under 20...Its more of a time thing...You need to go in slow...Pull carefully and make sure you have one rez person and keep them safe...the rest is a breeze...</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>As a Rogue, using instant poison and a couple of greater healing potions, you can stealth-solo this around 33, at least I did. Can solo it and kill everything at 35+ if your gear is updated, you have pots for emergency, and use vanish at VC, you can walk out with anywhere from 3-8g worth of drops. Not hard. I've been testing soling this since I hit 28ish or so. The more you do it, the easier it gets.<br />I'm a combat/assassaination Rogue with a agi/stam/str gear if that helps. Have fun, I love this place!</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>Im lvl 29 and i never bothered to do the quest until now...but im afraid of lvling. I have just 1.2kxp to spare...is that enough to do this last and final quest without lvling? Help me!...plz</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>I have a question if you are grouping with other people doing the same quest does that mean that only <b>one guy </b> can have his head after you defeat VC?</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>Once you kill VC you get a letter that says it starts a quest and so i dont where to go to start it does anyone here know?</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>Finshed This Quest with LVL 18 Human Paladin with a friendly Rogue.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>tried this quest today it is long and it is challenging i didnt even finish it because we exited the instance because of a trick portal</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>how long does it take?</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>Tried this last night, and one of our members had to leave halfway through. We still handled the entire zone with ease until getting to VC. We didn't even kill one of the three and all of us got killed. I was the lowest member at 22, and we even had a 29 Rogue with us. We thought the battle would be a bit easier, obviously.<br /><br />So my question is, what is a good tactic for defeating these guys?</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>What level do you have to be to solo this Instance? Anybody do it yet?</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>It goes fast with lvl 60 and 20 rogue stealthrun</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>Do you have to be there to do this or can you be chilling at the entrance while a 60 rogue/druid kills VC?</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>First of all if u want to do this quest try at least to have 5 players of level 20+ or two players of level 30-39,once your 40,its as easy as taking candy from a kid but when you are 20-29, always have at least one healer(shaman,druid,paladin,priest) and try to have a Rogue with u they help a lot.On the way there the most dangerous guys are:&quot;Mr.Smite&quot;(Sub Boss) and with some luck you can always find &quot;Cookie&quot;, a level 20 elite that is the ship's cook and can give u (with luck) some pretty good items.Cookie wanders around so he won't always be at the same place.Tips:First, for Mr.Smite, he will be waiting at sort of entrance that bringsyou up the pirate boat and he will be guarded by an ivisible rogue but watch out!Every time u bring him down to a certain amount of life, he will stomp u and run to his chest for better weapons while u guys are stunned.So the trick is for the healer(s) or casters to get as far as possible so his stomp wont reach u and the casters continue firing their spell while the healer(s) heal the guys who are missing life while Mr.Smith continues his chit-chat.After an amount of time Mr.Smith will probably be dead by then.Also, dont go for the rogue, just finish Mr.Smith off and then just kill him 'cause M.rSmith will do much more damage.Now if u meet Cookie on the way there and u guys are 5 then its ok but if he attacks maybe 2 of you who are 20-29(unless if both of u are 28-29) then he might be easy to bring down a lot of life but at point, Cookie will run away and come back with some level 19-20 elites and they will probably kill u so the best thing to do is to either have a Hunter to stun him, a Paladin to stun him, a Warrior to War Stomp or a Mage to freeze him, then hes easy to kill, one of the best items he can give to u is a blue wand so if your a caster, you might want to try to kill him.After you continue killing guys until u get to the top of the pirate boat where you will meet VanCleef in a sort of cabin.The first thing u need to do is get to full health and mana then the strongest tank of the group goes straight at VanCleff while the others go for the two invisible guards that are surrounding him(Rogues watch out 'cause VanCleef isn't affected by either Sap or Cheap Shot so don't try it) and the healer(s) heal the guy the guy attacking VanCleef and occasionally the guys attacking the Rogues if they are losing too much life and then once the two Rogues are done, everybody goes for VanCleef and after he loses and amount of life, two rogues will come again so you redo life the last time:The tank goes for VanCleef and the rest go for the 2 Rogues and the healer(s) heals the guy attacking VanCleef and the others occasionally(try not to heal too much unless you have a lot of mana or else you will run out) and then its back to all killing VanCleef.After that he'll probably be dead and to be too disapointed if he gives you guys something you dont like 'cause there are a lot of possibilities(check it out on this site just type in The Defias Brotherhood and next to one of them will be written VanCleef's name and then click on it and they will show you a whole list of all the drops that VanCleef makes.)To go back out you should Hearthstone back home instead of doing the whole way back.Extra Tip:This is good if your doing the quest Underground Assault givin by Shoni The Shinlent in the Dwarven District in Stormwind and The Defias Brotherhood given by Gryan Stoutmantle for the Gnoam SpreckleSprocket you need to retrieve for Shoni The Shilent will be in a goblin who is in a robot all you need to do is destroy it and then loot it(it will be on the way to getting to VanCleef in a goblin room.)</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>Just finished this quest last night. I found it to be very worth the work. We breezed through it last night and put on a near flawless performance with no deaths at all.<br /><br />25 priest, 25 mage, 21 druid, 21 rogue, 21 hunter<br /><br />As the druid, I was the tank for the big fights. For everything except the bosses I was in cat form and we just dps'd everything till it died. When we aproached the bosses I would pull the boss with fairefire, switch to bear form and tank him while the rest of the group kills the goons.<br /><br />I pulled the mobs when we got to the boat. Using fairy fire is very effective to pull small groups and predebuffs the mob being pulled.<br /><br />Tubby: wait for him to walk away from his guards, then pull, you'll single him every time. After he dies, deal with his guards.<br /><br />Shredder: Pull all guards before attempting the Shredder. For the guards at the far door, wait for the Shredder to path back up the ramp. Once all the guards are cleared you pull the Shredder and beat it down. When he dies the operator pops out and you have to kill him too.<br /><br />Engineer Room: Clear around the cog all the goblins, when you get to the door the boss is acompanied by 2 guards. One of the guards can be pulled away from the Boss adn the other guard. Pull him and kill him. When engaging the Boss, you can either sheep the guard and kill the boss, or just kill the guard while the Tank occupies the boss.<br /><br />First Mate: Once the dock is cleared it's very important how you pull the first mate and his rogue buddies. The tank will inch up till he agro's the stealthed rogues, this will also pull the first mate. The mobs on the deck will not agro! We had a mage so one rogue got turned into a sheep. The Tank should <b>always</b> stay on the main boss. The rest of the party needs to kill the remaining rogue, then kill the sheep, then dps the Boss. For the first mate he will stun the party 2 during the fight. As far as I can see it is not resistable, but he runs back to his chest and pulls some stuff out. Nothing big, just some dramatics, when you're unstunned keep dpsing him down.<br /><br />Clearing the ship: Clearing the first deck is basically the same as clearing the rest of the instance zone. Once you get to the first ramp, everyone stays on the first deck while the puller brings the mobs down to the group. If you try and crawl up to the top deck, then once you get to the first grp on the top, you will agro the captain any all the other mobs on the ship. If you pull them indivdually then you'll be fine. I waited till the captain rounded the back of the ship, not sure if it makes a difference and I didn't want to take that chance :)<br /><br />Captain: Once the top deck is cleared, everyone can move up the ramps and along the deck to where the ent to the deck is. You can pull the captain or inch up to him the way you did with the first mate. Either way you pull him you'll get his two guards with him. Tank him the same way you tanked the first mate.<br /><br />VanCleef: VanCleef is located in the main cabin. You can see him if you peer in, but don't get too close until you're ready for him. You'll pull VC the same way you pulled the First Mate, he will have two rogue guards materialize when he's agro'd. Deal with them the same way you dealt with the First Mate's rogues. WARNING: shortly into the fight 2 more rogues will show up! We had the first two rogues dead before the second ones showed up so it wasn't a big deal, just a little surprise. We finished VC off before dealing with the rogues. But you can continue having the tank hold off VC while the rest of the group finishes the rogues. The Hunter's pet off tanked one of the new rogues so it wasn't on the priest. <br /><br />It's important that you have a tank who can taunt so that the boss doesn't pull off and start pounding down the rest of the party. With a decent tank and a compitent healer, there should be no problems keeping everyone alive during the boss fights. We wiped the first night we tried just as the instance was respawning so we didn't attempt it again, but the second night we went in we used this strategy and came out of it feeling it was very easily done.<br /><br />Hope this helps!<br /><br />Jonais 22 Druid Darkspear<br />Kishan 13 Hunter Doomhammer</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>Just a heads up to folks who die before you get VAn Cleef's head. I went in as a lvl 19 mage, 20 war, 22 warlock, 29 paladin, and a 31 mage. We beat van cleef - but we got wiped out by his minions. Note - Polymorph really helped alot when used on the minions while the party fought VC.<br /><br />But here's the main thing - if you fought VC and defeat him, yet not everyone gets the head - His Average respawn can be 30 minutes to 1 hour for his respawn. My group wasnt sure about his respawn, so I stayed back to see if he would at all. I repeat dont leave if you have the time, cause he will respawn.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>My group's method for VC himself way simple, kill him. All we did was get all the members to focus on VC, kill him, loot the head and jump off the boat. Watch out tho, if you jump off the left side (the side you didnt come up on), there's a named murloc in the water who'll probably take you out.<br /><br />-Rkor, 30 hunter, Draenor</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>how long does it take</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>I don't know about pirates, but Van Cleef and his rogues sure can swim. I did the instance last night solo with my level 33 paladin and killed everyone but haven't managed to kill Van Cleef (those blasted rogues got me in the end). So I took it from the beginning with the help of a level 43 warrior and done the whole instance in less than 20 mins I think :)</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>i started soloing this instance when i was lvl 36 , i never died , till i was playing around and an through the whole boat and aggrod everything for fun. . all u need to do is just keep using pet , and have track huminoids to see if patrol is coming</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>this instance is most fun when you have a well balanced group around the lvls of 20-23 any higher or lower and its to slow going or not enough of a fight. for soloing (i have soled with druid pally rogue and hunter) i would wait till you are about lvl 36-40 depending on class and if you are a cloth class then i would wait longer..unless twinked. but this is one of the most fun instances and a good learning exp for the newer players. Lots of cloth cash and items that you can sell/DE.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>What level is this soloable as a warlock, I tried soloing it today as a lvl 40 and got killed at the shredder. Too much health for me :(.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>im a lvl 29 twink warior and i can solo it right up until you blow the doors open with the cannon... and i dont get xp at all... oh and i got a lvl 19 twink rouge and i wanted to know if you actualy have to be lvl 22 to get the stuff or is it recomended?</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>I did it with a 17 Rouge and a group of 22+, the trick is TAKE YOUR TIME don't rush through and pull everything. Just stay focused and work together and it's not that hard. <br /><br />Bringing someone who can res is extremely helpful too, you'll want to protect this person well. Trust me, getting 3/4 of the way into the instance and getting killed, and having to run back through the whole instance to get back to your party is a real pain.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>Shouldn't take your group more than an hour and a half to do this entire instance. I'll lay out some working strategies as best I can.<br /><br />In the corridors, which is most of the zone, you just need to watch what/how you pull. I've pulled the entire dungeon as a level 22 Hunter and never gotten more than one add. You really need someone with a ranged attack to pull. If it's a caster who shouldn't be tanking, they need to use their lowest level spell to pull with, so they don't cause much initial aggro. If it HAS to be a paladin or druid, then they need to pull the mob and back up quite a bit. Runners in here will get you adds, which cause wipes.<br /><br />The first boss is an ogre. He walks up and down a path. If you've never done this before, watch him a couple times, and pull him when he's farthest from the door to avoid adds. There is a patrol after him, which will need to be neutralized before going through teh door.<br /><br />The next boss is the Shredder, and it's pilot (Sneed?). This is fairly simple, as the shredder also has a set path. Pull him just as he begins walking up the hill, but make sure all the goblins around the wood are dead. The second and final patrol is here.<br /><br />Next, you go down another corridor and into the Foundry. This is where most groups wipe. It is IMPERATIVE that your puller pay attention to the pathing of the goblins. Often they won't follow, but instead they will begin shooting. You will have to back out of their gun range to force them away from their friends to prevent adds. A single add in this area is difficult for a low level group, and can cause a wipe quite quickly. Also, the goblins in this area seem to have a high aggro range. Gilnik? is the boss of this area, over next to the door. He's not really too tough.<br /><br />Next up is another corridor which ends with a cannon pointed at the door. You'll need blasting powder from a room nearby to activate the cannon. This leads to the docks. The docks are easy until you get to the ramp leading up to the ship. There will be 2 stealthed rogues at the bottom of the ramp, and Smite, the Tauren, at the top. The main tank should engage Smite at the wide area before the turn to the plank, while the rest of the group deals with the rogues even further back. The healer should be at maximum range from the warrior to avoid Smite's stun. The reason for being farther away from the ramp is so that Smite will have to cover distance to run to his chest to switch his weapons, allowing more time for the stun to wear off. Once the rogues are dealt with, the rest of the group can engage Smite.<br /><br />At the top of the ramp, going right will lead to Captain Greenskin and Van Cleef. Going left will lead to Cookie, the murlock cook, and the exit. Just keep pulling slowly and keep the mobs being engaged far enough away from any potential adds. Once you reach the top platform, watch out for Greenskin. He patrols the top deck where VC is, but he will assist mobs on the platform below, so wait on him to patrol around to the other side before pulling. Once everything else is dead, pull Greenskin when he reaches the plank which leads to the top deck. He usually has 2 or 3 mobs linked to him, so this fight can be rough. Once Greenskin is down, it's time for VC.<br /><br />VC has 2 rogue friends who will assist him in the fight. When he reaches half life, 2 more will spawn. Use the same strategy as with Smite, with the MT on VC while the rest of the group deals with the adds. VC doesn't have an AOE stun like Smite though, but he's tougher and has more DPS, so the healer will likely need to keep attention on the MT. As a 22 Hunter, I was able to use my pet to tank VC while I healed it, while the rest of the group dealt with the adds. This helped the healer both on mana and on aggro, though in the end the pet finally died when I ran OOM, and VC proceeded to kill me. The group succeeded in finishing him off, and a rez later and we headed for the zone.<br /><br />Experience really helps a lot here. Once you reach the docks, if a wipe seems imminent, jump in the water, as the pirates can't swim. Ironic, ain't it?<br /><br />Edited, Thu Apr 21 00:15:18 2005</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>Best thing to do if ya wnt to do it lower lvl ask a high lvl player hus hanging around to run u throught or a friend hus in a group</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>Completed this instance with my buddy. Two Paladins. I was level 26 and he was level 18. I was the hitter and he was support. Waas difficult at times to get through because his level 18 arse kept aggro'ing but we soon figured out everything. VanCleef was a major disappointment in the fight and the minibosses were lacking, although Mr Smite was crazy. :)<br /><br />Basic Strategy through the entire thing, level 18 healslave and stun. Level 26 Seal of Command, Stun, Judgement combo. Have the level 18 stay far behind. Just in healing range. We talked through the entire instance so communication is really important. Once we kill Mr Smite, I recorded the rest with Fraps. :)</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>solo'd all the way to VC as a 29 NE hunter with a lvl 29 ghost saber pet.<br />forgot about the extra rogues he has with him....oh well at least i got to him muhahahaha...</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>Warrior to tank, Druid to of heal / of tank, Mage for Poly and Good DMG, Priest to Heal, and perhaps a rogue ;) ( Never likes paladins, they tend to steal aggro from the tank too much. ) Just take it slow ( Especially at Foundry ), And you`l make it easily :)</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>I'm a 27 NE hunter, when should i be able to solo it?</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>I did this instance with a small group of three (21rogue (me) 20warrior and 26 druid) we made it all the way to VC, we killed him but ran away from his rogues.<br />But i didnt have the quest back then, now im lvl 24rogue and have the quest. Should i kepp the westfall tunic or should i try to find something better?<br /><br />(i think +11agility is pretty good for rogues, no?</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>This was a lot harder than I expected. Make sure you heed the previous advice and have a few hrs to spare. My group did it with me lvl 18 Pal, 19 War, 19 Rogue....AND 40 Mage. It was crazy, but way fun. My additional advice: make sure you have lots of space in your inventory, so you won't have to drop needed stuff because you will get lots of cool stuff.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>When my group killed VC and we found this really nice Armor on him and lotted for it. What was stupid was that i got a tie lot with another guy, and another person which got a lower number than us just walks up and loots the armor from us. Blizzard should fix something stupid like this.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>This QUEST is easily done...if u have a lvl 30+, a healer, and a tank, its is VEY DOABLE...VERY....and is recomemded not to try to solo until ur lvl 40ish...if ur a pally do it at lvl 35 and see how u go...might make it...i'd still say lvl 40 for priest soz...not powerful enough...even though u have better healing...And dont know how u didnt finish it becuse that portal is end potal at ship...VC is at the top and to get to &quot;trick portal&quot; u need to go that way first...NOOB</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>it has been said that the first mate's stuns are not resistable... maybe so.. but i have found a way around that... if you stun him first.. and beat him throuth the health that he would stun you... he will not... he will just go to his chest for the next weapon.. and you can get in crazy hits and damage for free.<br /><br />i have done this on four seperate occasions so it is repeatable and wasnt a fluke.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>same here i can not get quest anywhere did all the brotherhood kill quests and cann not get another quest from anyone at tower? where do i get vc quest now?</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>Revisited the Deadmines as a level 33 Retribution Paladin. Solo'd it fine. Just watch your pulls. Too many and it doesn't matter how many protection-heal's you have.<br /><br />I can run through most of the DM with Seal of Command on and kill the Defias Miners, the goblins would have to be the hardest part. Lots of good drops to sell at the AC or to DE. :) Made it to VC, didn't even bother killing his lackies because he'd just respawn them. If you don't kill the lackies, than VC doesn't respawn any more than two. They were weak afterwards though because of my Retribution Aura but if you find yourself in a bind, switch off to Concentration Aura and heal yourself and don't forget that Judging with Command deals double damage when the target is stunned. :)</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Allakhazam</b></h3>Doing this quest first introduced me to the Dead Mines. It was fun going through and getting TONS of awsome armor and weapons and stuff.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>deadpacman</b></h3>Hopefully you didn't skip through the quest text throughout this quest chain. It was, and still is, a simple but marvellous story in which it is ponderous if the adventurers truly were the heroes for slaying VanCleef, despite his trespasses. Here's a rundown of what transpired throughout the quest chain:<br /><br />Gryan Stoutmantle of Westfall learns that a faction calling themselves the Defias Brotherhood is responsible for driving the people of Westfall from their homes. He tasks the player to seek the aid of Wiley the Black in Lakeshire - a rogue who owes Stoutmantle a favor.<br /><br />Wiley complies with the request for information, and has the player return a note to Stoutmantle. The note states that the Brotherhood is larger than previously thought, and that the Kobolds and Gnolls of Westfall are also part of the conspiracy. They have hired Goblins to produce the mechanical harvest golems seen throughout Westfall. The note also states that they have an underground network from Booty Bay as far as Stormwind Keep, and that they are working on a weapon of mass destruction. It also mentions the name &quot;Stonemasons.&quot;<br /><br />Upon returning the note to Stoutmantle, he ponders if Wiley mentioning the Stonemasons was a slip of tongue, and perhaps they are connected to the Brotherhood. He asks the player to speak to Matthias Shaw of SI:7 for more information.<br /><br />Shaw writes a report for Stoutmantle which details what he knows about the Stonemasons. In the report, it is revealed that the Stonemasons Guild was responsible for rebuilding Stormwind after the First War. Their leader was Edwin VanCleef (also of note is that Baros Alexston, the current Stormwind City Architect, was also a former member). The nobles of Stormwind, however, refused to pay the Stonemasons for their service - the guild was left bankrupt and largely forgotten by the city's corrupt officials. Shaw states that he was a close personal friend of VanCleef for much of his life, and that if he is behind the Brotherhood, the situation is more grave than even he thought.<br /><br />Stoutmantle then seeks confirmation that the leader of the Brotherhood is in fact VanCleef. He tasks the player with waylaying a Defias messenger spotted travelling between the Jangolode Mine and Moonbrook. The messenger was carrying a cryptic letter that was signed by VanCleef.<br /><br />While retrieving proof of VanCleef's role in the Brotherhood, Stoutmantle and his men captured a thief attempting to steal a wagon who also happened to be a memeber of the Brotherhood. In exchange for his life, the thief claims that he will reveal the location of the Brotherhood's hideout; Stoutmantle has the player escort the thief and it is revealed that the Brotherhood's den of operations is a vast underground tunnel network, beginning under the village of Moonbrook, known as the Deadmines.<br /><br />The final task is to enter the Deadmines and slay VanCleef once and for all. Once complete, a letter may be recovered from his body, which sparks further hints of a conspiracy of corruption within Stormwind and begins the Stockades quest chain.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Lunaeros</b></h3>On the quest, when I exited the instance and went to turn in I noticed no head. I thought maybe I forgot to loot, but I got the Unsent Letter, so I must have. Head drop is not 100%, even if you're on the quest. Might have to do multiple runs for this one.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Bloodydemize</b></h3>This quest currently gives 9,750 experience in the beta.</div>
<div class="user-post-"><h3 class="heading-size-3">Comment by <b>Cordraven</b></h3>Think quest is currently bugged, turned in quest at lvl 20 on my druid and wasn't given any reward to get staff i wanted</div>
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<h1 class="heading-size-1">The Defias Brotherhood</h1>Kill Edwin VanCleef and bring his head to <a href="/forever/npc=234/gryan-stoutmantle">Gryan Stoutmantle</a>.<table class="icon-list">
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<h2 class="heading-size-3">Description</h2>There is but one task left for you to complete. Edwin VanCleef must be assassinated. While it saddens me to condemn any man to a death sentence, it is for the greater good of the people of Westfall that VanCleef is laid to rest once and for all. Bring me the villain's head once the deed is done.<h2 class="heading-size-3"><a href="javascript:" class="disclosure-off" onclick="return WH.disclose(WH.ge('lknlksndgg-progress'), this)">Progress</a></h2><div id="lknlksndgg-progress" style="display: none">How goes the hunt for Edwin VanCleef?</div>
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